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This posting sums up the doctrine of the massive majority of the Muslims, namely the People of the Sunna and the Congregation, concerning the pre-existent, pre-eternal, beginningless, and uncreated nature of the Divine Speech Allah Most High has named al-Qur'an, as held by the Salaf al-Salihun and as formulated by the two Masters, Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ashʿari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi and their respective schools.
The position of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jamaʿa differs fundamentally on this matter with that of the rest of the Muslim sects, especially with that of the now defunct Muʿtazila. The position of the Shiʿa is indentical with that of the Muʿtazila, who denied not only the Pre-existent status of the Divine Speech, but of all the Divine Attributes for they considered that they are the same as the Essence.
Ahl al-Sunna agree one and all that the Qur'an is the pre-existent, pre-eternal, uncreated Speech of Allah Most High on the evidence of the Qur'an, the Sunna, and faith-guided reason.
In a rare instance of classic kalām reasoning, Imam Malik gave the most succint statement of this doctrine:
"The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah, the Speech of Allah comes from Him, and nothing created comes from Allah Most High." Narrated by al-Dhahabi in Siyar Aʿlam al-Nubala' (Dar al-Fikr ed. 7:416).
Hafiz Abu al-Qasim Ibn ʿAsakir said in Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari (Dar al-Jil ed. p. 150-151):
"The Muʿtazila said: 'the Speech of Allah Most High is created, invented, and brought into being.' The Hashwiyya, who attribute a body to Allah the Exalted, said: 'The alphabetical characters (al-hurūf al-muqattaʿa), the materials on which they are written, the colors in which they are written, and all that is between the two covers [of the volumes of Qur'an] is beginningless and pre-existent (qadīma azaliyya). Al-Ashʿari took a middle road between them and said: The Qur'an is the beginningless speech of Allah Most High unchanged, uncreated, not of recent origin in time, nor brought into being. As for the alphabetical characters, the materials, the colors, the voices, the elements that are subject to limitations (al-mahdūdāt), and all that is subject to modality (al-mukayyafāt) in the0 world: all this is created, originated, and produced."
Hafiz Abu Bakr al-Bayhaqi said in al-Asma' wa al-Sifat (al-Kawthari ed. p. 265; al-Hashidi ed. 2:18) with a sound chain:
"Something Ibn Shaddad had written was handed to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi which containing the phrase: "My pronunciation of the Qur'an is uncreated" and the latter was asked to show it to Ahmad ibn Hanbal for corroboration. The latter crossed out the phrase and wrote instead: "The Qur'an, however used (haythu yusraf), is uncreated."
"In another sound narration, Abu Bakr al-Marwazi, Abu Muhammad Fawran [or Fawzan], and Salih ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal witnessed Ahmad rebuking one of his students named Abu Talib with the words: "Are you telling people that I said: 'My pronunciation of the Qur'an is uncreated'?" Abu Talib replied: "I only said this from my own." Ahmad said: "Do not say this - neither from me, nor from you! I never heard any person of knowledge say it. The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah uncreated, whichever way it is used." Salih said to Abu Talib: "If you told people what you said, now go and tell the same people that Abu ʿAbd Allah [Imam Ahmad] forbade to say it."" End of al-Bayhaqi's narration in al-Asma' wa al-Sifat (Kawthari ed. p. 265-266; al-Hashidi ed. 2:18). This is a sound narration also found in Salih ibn Ahmad's book al-Mihna (p. 70-71), Ibn al-Jawzi's Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad (p. 155), and Ibn Taymiyya in Majmuʿ al-Fatawa (12:360, 12:425).
The Proof of Islam and Renewer of the Fifth Hijri Century, Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazzali said in his "Foundations of Islamic Belief" (Qawaʿid al-ʿAqa'id) published in his Rasa'il and his Ihya' ʿUlum al-Din and partially translated in Shaykh Nuh Keller's Reliance of the Traveller and by Mrs. Ahmad Darwish on the Mosque of the Internet:
"The Qur'an is read by tongues, written in books, and remembered in the heart, yet it is, nevertheless, uncreated and without beginning, subsisting in the Essence of Allah, not subject to division and or separation through its transmission to the heart and paper. Musa - upon him peace - heard the Speech of Allah without sound and without letter, just as the righteous see the Essence of Allah Most High in the Hereafter, without substance or its quality." End of al-Ghazzali's words.
And Imam al-Tahawi said of the Qur'an in his "Creed of Abu Hanifa and his Companions": "It is not created like the speech of creatures."
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was detained and lashed for twenty-eight months for refusing to say that the Qur'an was created. In his stand for the sake of the pure and undefiled Religion he was compared to Abu Bakr al-Siddiq's unwavering stand with regard to the Arabian tribes who committed apostasy after the Prophet ﷺ left this life. May Allah be well-pleased with them and make them pleased.
Someone on the SRI forum mentioned the following syllogism:
Allah says that He is the creator of everything
The Qur'an is a thing
Therefore the Qur'an Is created.
...
If you want to prove that the Qur'an is uncreated
you will first have to prove that
the Qur'an is not a thing. Can you do that?
No.
But elsewhere in the thread the same person states:
So Allah is called a thing in the Qur'an.
Therefore he admits that there is an exception to the false reasoning stated above, but in a separate place than where he brought it up.
He also stated his denial of the reality and pre-eternity of the Divine Attributes, subsuming them into the Essence:
Coming back to the main point. If someone believes that anything is eternal other than God (existed from ever) he/she has committed shirk; made a partner with God.
Yet elsewhere he affirms one such attribute. Meaning, not according to his rule that the attribute IS God, but predicating the attribute to God as a distinct reality in contradiction of his former denial, committing shirk by his own principle:
[...] Truth is an attribute of God.
Then he immediately annuls the reality of the attribute he just mentioned:
Other than God both Truth and Evil don't really independently exist.
So then (1) - according to him - Allah categorically created all things and both the Qur'an is a thing and Allah is a thing; and (2) - according to him - it is shirk to hold anything to be eternal other than God, even an Attribute of His such as Truth; for (3) - according to him - such attributes, anyway, "don't really independently exist."
Of course he extirpates himself by adding {There is nothing like unto Him}. So he has shown that there is at least One Exception - Subhan Allah! - to his supposed axiom, and he found that exception stated in the Qur'an. He himself has shown that it can be misleading - and horrendously so - to cite certain verses in isolation of others in the matter.
But he claims that it is apostasy to make more than this single exception:
Yet you are making TWO exceptions. This is against the creed of Pure Islam.
If you make more than ONE exception what prevents you from making Three, four or more exceptions?
However, we Sunnis hold there are as many exceptions to the phrase "Allah has created everything" as there are Divine Attributes, and that to speak of any of His Attributes as created, is kufr.
The ʿAqida of the People of Truth is:
sifaatu-l-Laahi laysat ʿayna dhaatin
The Attributes of Allah are neither the very Essence,
wa laa ghayran siwaahu dha-nfisaali
nor other than Himself, nor separate.
sifaatu-dh-Dhaati wa-l-afʿaali turran
And all the Attributes of the Essence and of the Acts
qadiimaatun masuunaatu-z-zawaali
are pre-existent and without end.
[From the poem Bad' al-Amali by the Maturidi master, Siraj al-Din ʿAli ibn ʿUthman al-Ushi (d. 569).]
Another argument the objector brings forth is:
The Qur'an is created. The Qur'an is refers to itself as Muhdath in verses 21:2 and 26:5
And this is an outright lie, for the Qur'an refers to "a new/fresh reminder" (dhikr) in the indefinite in both verses, not "to itself" as falsely claimed. This would have been immediately noticeable if he had only cited the translations that he pretended to adduce.
He also made false claims based on his deficient knowledge of the Qur'an:
The Qur'an says that it is From/By the Knowledge of God but it doesn't say that it IS the Knowledge of God therefore even this view is non-Qur'anic and it is a belief without burhaan which Allah has not given any Sultaan or permission to believe in.
This is false, the Qur'an most explicitly states {wa ma-khtalafa ahlu-l-kitaabi illaa min baʿdi maa jaa'ahum MIN AL-ʿILM} and {wa man hajjaka min baʿdi ma jaa'aka MIN AL-ʿILM} among other verses equating Divine Revelation with "The Knowledge". This was pointed out by Imam Ahmad in many places, notably his first reply to the Devils who interrogated him on the issue, as cited below. So to believe that the Qur'an is the Speech of Allah - and there is no disagreement over this from the Shiʿis - is to believe that it is the Knowledge of Allah, though not necessarily all His Knowledge.
The objector also said some more enormities about the Qur'an and the Heavenly Books:
The Qur'an is applicable only from the time of the Prophet until the end of time. It is applicable in places humans can live.
If the truth was otherwise then there would be no need for the Taurah, Zaboor and Injeel. If the truth was otherwise the Qur'an should have come down with Adam but it didn't.
The truth is, as Allah is my witness and yours, that the Qur'an is the uncreated Speech of Allah to the worlds in which He mentions the taking of the Covenant from all the Prophets and their Communities and the all-encompassing witness of the Seal of Prophets over them; that the Torah is the uncreated Speech of Allah; the Zabur is the uncreated Speech of Allah; and the Injil is the uncreated Speech of Allah. And the Heavenly Books shall surely stand witness for or against all those who wrote in this thread on the Day of Judgment.
How well Imam al-Shafiʿi spoke when he said:
"My ruling concerning the practicioners of kalām is that they be flogged, then seated upon a camel and paraded among the clans and the tribes while a herald proclaims: 'This is the reward of those who abandon the Book and the Sunna in order to take up kalām!'" I.e. to take up false reasonings and speculations in the guise of defending the Book and the Sunna instead of sticking faithfully to the latter. He also said: "Every mutakallim according to the Qur'an and Sunna possesses diligence, while every other type is delirious."
It was correctly mentioned that al-Shafiʿi declared to a man who spoke of the Qur'an as created: "You have just committed disbelief." The man in question was the Muʿtazili-turned-Jabri, Hafs al-Fard of Basra. It is established that al-Shafiʿi entered into kalām disputations with this Hafs over the issue of the creation of the Qur'an until he declared Hafs a disbeliever, and he used to nickname him "Hafs the Isolated" Hafs al-Munfarid as a word-play on his name of Fard. Hafs had tried unsuccessfully to make ʿAbd Allah ibn ʿAbd al-Hakim and Yusuf ibn ʿAmr ibn Yazid debate him before al-Shafiʿi accepted and defeated him. See on this: Ibn ʿAsakir, Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari (1404 ed. p. 338-340) and al-Lalika'i, Sharh Usul Iʿtiqad Ahl al-Sunna (2:252-253).
The objector also stated about his supposed method:
I don't want to hear the opinions of Malik or Buyuti. Tell me what the Qur'an says. Tell me what the Messenger of Allah said ﷺ.
It seems he thinks he is stating what the Qur'an says and rejecting imitation; but he actually misunderstands the Qur'an in pure imitation - unwittingly or not - of the enemies of the Qur'an. For he has used two of the exact same weak arguments used against Imam Ahmad and the other Mountains of Islam by the underlings of Caliph Harun al-Rashid's sons al-Ma'mun the scholar (198-218) and the near-analphabet al-Muʿtasim (218-227), and the latter's profligate son al-Wathiq (227-232), abetted by his Muʿtazili vizier Ibn Abi Du'ad and a certain Barghuth ["Gnat"] al-Jahmi.
He states: I don't want to hear the opinions of Malik or Buwayti. But Malik or Buwayti's juridical and doctrinal stands are based on a Mujtahid Mutlaq's understanding of the Qur'an and Sunna. Whereas that person's use of the English meanings of the Qur'an on the Internet - Ma Sha' Allah - is that of a layman, or less. So we have a choice between following the Imams, or following at best a layman. How do ye judge?
Mujtahid Mutlaq = Qualified for absolute independent juridical exertion, i.e. to apply legal reasoning, draw analogies, and infer rulings from the evidence independently of the methodology and findings of the Sunni schools, through his own linguistic and juridical perspicuity and extensive knowledge of the texts.
Allah have mercy on al-Buwayti and give him the highest ranks in Paradise! He died in 231 in jail, bound in chains in Iraq for refusing to say that the Qur'an was created. May Allah have mercy on him and on all the scholars of Ahl al-Sunna and give them the merits of their detractors.
Yes, a Nobody can quote Qur'an, just like Imams Ahmad and al-Buwayti can quote it. However, the understanding of the Mujtahid Mutlaq compared to that of the Nobody is like the soaring eagle compared to a one-day gnat, although both can be said to fly.
I must also say that his protestation against the opinions of the scholars is a hollow one coming from a Shiʿi, for Shiʿis are notorious for their slavish imitation of their Imams' opinion, not bothering even to check the validity of transmission of a given opinion to a purported authority. That is why he is able to reject the Sunni doctrine of Imam Jaʿfar al-Sadiq in this matter even as he claims, "Our beliefs are based on what the 12 Imams of the Ahlul-bayt taught and endorsed as authentic Islam."
Yes, in addition, somewhere in the thread, he himself happily quotes from Imam Jaʿfar ibn Muhammad (al-Sadiq) to make a point! Then he declaims: "Why can't you base your argument on the Qur'an, Sunnah and Reason. Why must you bring the opinion of someone in the 10th century as a support?" So we are to put forward a Duodeciman Shiʿi's partial understanding of the Qur'an, biased abuse of the Sunna, and deficient reasoning before examplars of the Qur'an and Sunna such as the Mujtahid Imams and Awliya' except, of course, when we mean a Twelver-Imam? - Although, to top the irony, Imam Jaʿfar al-Sadiq is authentically reported to hold that the Qur'an is uncreated, as indicated by Brother Ismaeel; here is the report:
Al-Bayhaqi in al-Asma' wa al-Sifat (chapters on the Divine Attribute of Speech, al-Hashidi ed. 1:600 #534) narrated with his chain ["isnaduhu hasan"] from Jaʿfar ibn Muhammad, from his father, from ʿAli ibn al-Husayn who said: "The Qur'an is neither creator nor created, but it is the Speech of the Creator." I remember reading the report in Qadi ʿIyad's al-Shifa' as well.
The objector claims to stick fast to the Qur'an, but his likes reject and belie the Qur'an when it praises the First and Foremost of the Muhajirun and Ansar! And he claims to stick to the Sunna when his likes pick and choose among the most authentic narrations what they want and reject what they want according to their lusts; rejecting Sayyidina ʿAli's affirmation of wiping (mash) on the khuff, and his confirmation of the cancellation of mutʿa to name but two fundamental examples - both reports as sound and clear as the sun, and the first one is mutawatir.
He stated concerning the noble Sahaba:
did all the Sahaba enjoin what is good and forbid what is wrong?
No.
It must be understood that in reality this is an attack upon the Lord of the worlds, as if reproaching him for choosing unworthy Companions for the Seal of His Prophets! wallahu al-mustaʿan. And did the Prophet ﷺ make any distinctions when praying for his Companions when he said: "O Allah! have mercy on the Ansar and the Muhajirin!" the day they were digging the Trench before the battle of the Clans? Undoubtedly, such phrases as "did all the Sahaba enjoin what is good and forbid what is wrong? No" shall come as millstones around the neck of their speakers on the Day of Judgment, when they shall be facing the Sahaba - and the Prophet ﷺ - in shame. And Allah Most High might ask them: What business did you have reviling the men and women I chose as Companions for My Most Beloved, Most Respected, Most Praised Servant??
Hear now the ironclad responses given to the Shayatin who were torturing him, given by the Imam of the Sunna as narrated by his son Salih ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in al-Dhahabi's Siyar (9:478) and Ibn al-Subki's Tabaqat al-Shafiʿiyya al-Kubra (2:46-47):
Questioner: What do you say about the Qur'an?
Ahmad: And you, what do you say about the Knowledge of Allah Most
High?
Another questioner: Did not Allah say: {Allah is the Creator of all
things} (13:16), and is not the Qur'an a thing?
Ahmad: Allah also said: {Destroying all things} (46:25), then it
destroyed all except whatever Allah willed.
Another questioner: {Never comes there unto them a new reminder from
their Lord} (21:2). Can something new be anything but created?
Ahmad: Allah said: {Sād. By the Qur'an that contains the Reminder}
(38:1). "The" reminder is the Qur'an, while the other verse does not say
"the".
Another questioner: But the hadith of ʿImran ibn Husayn states: "Allah
created the Reminder."
Ahmad: That is not correct, several narrated it to us as: "Allah wrote
the Reminder."
[Al-Bukhari, Sahih, book of the Beginning of Creation:
"Allah was when there was nothing else than Him, and His Throne was upon
the water, and He wrote in the Reminder (al-dhikr) all things, and He
created the heavens and the earth."]
They cited the hadith of Ibn Masʿud: "Allah Most High did not create a
garden of Paradise nor a fire of Hell nor a heaven nor an earth more
tremendous (aʿzam) than the verse of the Throne (2:255)."
[Narrated by
Saʿid ibn Mansur, Ibn al-Mundhir, Ibn al-Daris, al-Tabarani, al-Harawi in
his Fada'il, and al-Bayhaqi in Shuʿab al-Iman, as stated by al-Suyuti in
al-Durr al-Manthur. Al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan mentions Sufyan ibn ʿUyayna's
explanation whereby this is because the garden, the fire, etc. are all
created as opposed to the Qur'an.]
Ahmad: The creating here applies to the garden, the fire, the heaven,
and the earth. It does not apply to the Qur'an.
Another questioner: The narration of Khabbab states: "I admonish you
to approach Allah with all that you can; but you can never approach Him
with something dearer to Him than His speech."
[Narrated by al-Hakim
(2:441) who declared it sound - al-Dhahabi concurred - and by al-Bayhaqi
in al-Asma' wa al-Sifat with two sound chains (1:587-588 #513-514).]
Ahmad: And that is true.
For the sake of completion on this topic I will append the additional proofs already cited by Cbun in message "8o2mle$d2l$1/at/samba.rahul.net", with slightly modified spelling and style:
Allah says, {Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing,
is only that He says to it, 'Be!' and it is!} - Yasīn 82
Ibn ʿUyayna explains, "Allah has differentiated his
Creation from his Command. His command is "Be" (Kun)."
Allah says, {Verily! Our Word unto a thing when We intend
it, is only that We say unto it: "Be!" and it is.} - Surah
An-Nahl 40
Shaykh ʿAbdulQadir al-Jilani (Rahimahullah),*
explaining that the word of Allah is not created says,
"Allah (subhanehu Wa ta'ala) said, {Verily! to him
(belongs) the creation and the Command}; (Allah) has
differentiated his Creation from his Command, If His
Command which is "Be" (Kun) that He creates His creation
(with) is created it would be a repetition that has no
benefit - as if He (Allah) said 'Verily! to him (belongs)
the creation and the creation'; Allah (subhanehu Wa ta'ala)
is far removed from doing such a thing."
From the book Al-Ghunya li-Talibiy Tariq al-Haqq, volume 1 page 59
* I replaced Rahmatullahi ʿalayh with Rahimahullah, for I heard my Shaykh say that the former is used for the ʿAwamm - the general public of the Muslims - while the latter is used for the Khawass - the elite.
Allah bless and greet our Master Muhammad, his Family, and all his Companions.
Hajj Gibril
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From the Futuhat al-Makkiyya:
[164] He - Most High - speaks, not after being previously silent nor following presumed tacitness, with a speech pre-eternal and beginningless like the rest of His Attributes, whether His knowledge, will, or power. He spoke to Musa - upon him peace. He named it [His speech] the divine Bestowal (al-tanzīl), the Book of Psalms (al-zabūr), the Torah, and the Evangel. [All this] without letters (hurūf), sounds (aswāt), tones (nagham), nor languages (lughāt). Rather, He is the Creator of sounds, letters, and languages.
GF Haddad ©
[2000-09-18]
"In any case, what Westerners call civilization, the others would call barbarity, because it is precisely lacking in the essential, that is to say, a principle of a higher order."
René Guénon, East And West, 1924
صلّى الله على سيّدنا محمّد و على آله و صحبه و سلّم
The blessings and peace of Allah on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions, ( sallAllahu `aleihi wa sallam ) .
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